Indie Initiative Home Bands Articles Forum Resources Contact
Forum

Battle of the Bands at The Mercury Lounge. Run by Aussie Promotions

NeilWedd 26 Jul 2005 12:22

Anybody got any views on Aussie Promotions and their Battle of the Bands.
I've had a lot of complaints in the past so I'm interested to hear stories.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


SpedsMB 26 Jul 2005 15:43

I hear the name "Aussie Promotions" and immediately alarm bells ring in my head.

Its my experience that you pretty much can't trust ANY "battle of the bands" competitions anymore. Anything that requires a certain amount of tickets sold before hand and all that sorta shit I stay from.

I have recieved calls from Aussie Promotions in the past and have shot them down 3 or 4 times when they asked us to play.

This doesn't involve Russ Kellet though does it? I've dealt with Russ a few times and he seems to be a good honest dude who generally cares about bands and can be trusted. If I've fucked up and Aussie Promos is Russ's thing then I take back all I've said as I'm down with Russ fo sho!</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Jemwitch 26 Jul 2005 19:36

I got a call from them aswell. I asked them to send me more info and they never did.
I don't feel very good about charging my mates 8 bucks to see me on a wednesday for 10-15 mins when we don't get paid anything!
It's also setup so each ticket is a right to vote therefore the more you sell the more votes you get.
Seems like a crappy band with a lot of friends has a lot more chance than hard working band who are gigging regularly!
They were unable to tell me where the money went, only that premier artisist were running it. I mean we play benefit gigs all the time, we are not money hungry. But if i don't know where the money is going i don't feel good about it.
So in the ned we decide we'd rather our mates pay to see us at a real gig where the money is atleast going back to the bands/mixers.
</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


beachball 26 Jul 2005 19:53

Forget about stories Neil, lets cut to the chase!! How about you send in an Indie/Jager band undercover to test the waters, to fight the fight, to smell the glove, to cut the cheese and finally to give us the scoop on all that is fundamentally evil about the said "Band Competition". It'd make a great read and help alot of bands make an informed choice. After all the industry doesn't condone this sort of behaviour does it? Maybe it does.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


melbrocks 26 Jul 2005 22:23

I used to think Russ was a good honest dude till he fucked me around the same way he did to a mates band only a few months before. Last year a guitarist I know got told by Russ that Aussie Promotions was gonna get him a whole bunch of gigs and nothing ever happened. Also, only a few months ago the Espy gave his open mic night the axe on Sunday nights cause anytime a new band/person would wanna play he'd give them about 5-10mins at the end of the night after his mates got up and played the same 12bar blues songs they played every week. None of those things really make him an honest or trustworthy guy...</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Mich55 27 Jul 2005 08:23

Is that the same people that were running the Battle of the Bands at the Locker Room? If it is it is pretty dodgey. The winner from that got to play a gig at the Mercury Lounge and a couple of the other bands that were in the comp too. But the guy that was running it was a dick, not sure if its the same guy though</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


musicislove 27 Jul 2005 09:47

Fuck all battles. Let country kids fresh from high school play that shit. It is a cheap lesson about the scum that circulate in the industry, and will serve to thicken their skins. and wisen them to the scams that are out there.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Renee57 28 Jul 2005 09:50

I went to the gig last wednesday at Mercury Lounge. Chub 57 played the battle and got through to the next round. Most of the guys didn't want to do it because of pervious experiences with people from 'Battle Of The Sounds' at The Locker Room. The guys were told they have to sell 40 tickets at $8 each or pay a $60 entry fee? How is that helping the band? I think the whole set-up there is very dodgy and everyone who plays is just getting taken for a ride. That's the best I can say without getting totally pissed off and voicing my true opinion of it. </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Tupelo 28 Jul 2005 10:03

Seriously,
put your energy into promoting and playing your own shows. You'll get much more out of it.....
Oh hang on, unless you really enjoy rocking up to an unorganised night, to play 4 hours after you're supposed to, then you get into the "final" and win 45minutes recording time at a studio that went bust three years ago..... WHERE DO I SIGN??????</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Jemwitch 28 Jul 2005 13:44

$60 entry Fee!!!!
Never mind how much it costs in gear and stuff to play a show now you gotta pay 60 bucks just to get on stage?

That money would be better spent at a rehearsal room.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


rockchickk 28 Jul 2005 13:54

Aussie Promotions definitely ran the Locker Room comp, I was a judge for one of the nights and was appalled that I was treated like a VIP while the bands were 2nd class.
At that time Russ Kellet was definitely not involved.
I also have a friend that worked for AP & with all respect, this did not help her career.
From expereince, this organisation's ethos is not about assisting bands. It is a commercial entity (as is Premier Artists) trying to make a profit. It just so happens that this potential profit is as a direct result of exploiting young artists.
Hey, we all want to be able to pay the rent doing something we love - but there are better ways!</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Renee57 28 Jul 2005 17:37

This is getting me really pissed off. You have to eaither sell the 40 tickets each time or pay $60 each time. It's totally fucked. does anyone have the number for the people running the show because I'm totally pissed. i don't want chub 57 to play there ever again. Can you give me advice on how to get them out? </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


beachball 29 Jul 2005 09:08

Hey Renee I wouldn't get too upset, this lesson cost you $60 ....that's a cheap one for a young band. Now go and enjoy the "game" for what it is, and get some satisfaction. </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


MrLoud 29 Jul 2005 11:12

Tupelo, you are right on it buddy. I agree wid you.
A sentence I read a few years ago is relevant for this thread.

"If your band has to enter a Battle of the Bands - You have already lost"

BOB's are for Cover Bands - Fuck them and their organizers.

Put your faith in yourself not in the hands of jaded fringe industry people out to make a buck off your efforts & then promise the world but deliver a stone.

Look the reality is this, its no different to any other industry, with regards to getting "ripped off - underpaid" but BOB's are nothing but a waste of time for young bands , sure you might get to play at a decent venue, but you are better off focusing on your own promotions, gigs and recordings.
If your stuff is good - you'll get interest regardless. </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


beachball 29 Jul 2005 11:36

Type Aussie Promotions and Rock Nerd into google and you'll see there's quite abit on the dodgey ol Aussie Promotions, all sorts of people who've been stung! </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


archangel 2 Aug 2005 14:51

K guys, I work for Battle of the Sounds. You might know me as ZOUPA from Angelcircus, Channel 31, SYN FM... Ice cold Hiphop...
Anyways, Battle of the Sounds has gotten a bad rap over the years for two reasons:
1.) Every little faggot with a Strat thinks that they are a rockstar and that they are gonna be 'discovered' by a manager like Duane Zigliotto and the dude's gonna make them rich and famous and they can play their powerchords and sing about ex-girlfriends and ave cocaine for breakfast.
2.) When you've been in the business as long as Duane, little rockstar cunts with Strats are the most annoying thing you have to deal with in a days work...

See, we're booking over a hundred bands for the Battle, we're looking at the ones that can actually play a decent song, look good on stage AND: dudes with a good attitude. Dudes that are not onl talented, but that are responsible and easy to work with.
It's business.
I went in Battle of the Sounds with a band 'Tremedy' in 2003. We didn't even win, but Duane managed us anyway because I was mature with him and did what he told us to do and he realised that we were gonna be co-operative and listen to his wisdom and we were gonna be a good band to work with.
That's what being 'discovered' REALLY is. When someone who knows the shit, realises that you are gonna behave if they sign you.
I mean, what makes these bands think that they deserve to be managed?
Pentatonic at 5th fret = guitar solo?
3 power chords and a yelled chorus?
Here's a little something for all you guys that have whinged on the net: The reason you didn't win, or get picked up... is coz you suck.
And even if you CAN play, even if you do know some jazz scales, are you an egomaniac wannabe rockstar?
I wouldn't wanna work with you in any industry!

And as for every cunt complaining about selling the tickets and the bandfee... How are we supposed to find you the $5000? Have you got 5 grand?
We gotta pay the stage mixer, the lighting guy, the front of house dude (who has mixed Jimmy Barnes) and the doorbitch, the host and the producer...
And if your band can't pull a crowd, why are you playing gigs?
And why would we give you MORE gigs. So your mum can watch?

Seriously guys, the Battle system is well cool. All of the slander is from lazy hippy musicians that think they have talent and want $5000 out of thin air and think they're too good to pay an entry fee, yet they wanna get signed... Well if you play in a venue owned by Premier artists... at an event run by Aussie Promotions... if you're any good... we'll take care of you.
If you behave.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


lukelukeluke 2 Aug 2005 16:45

Wow, that was awesome to hear the opinion of someone who runs these things - thanks heaps archangel. This is my first post under this topic, but I have been following the whole debate with great interest.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Jemwitch 2 Aug 2005 17:45

Yeah it is good to finally get the opinion of someone on the other side.
But to be fair Zoupa I don't think many of these people posting negatives towards the battle are actually saying they want the $5000.

And when i was approached to enter i was told it was $5000 worth of prizes which is very different.

This is the INDYinitiative site so i don't suspect people here are that interested in being signed neccessarily either.

They are just saying they don't like the way it's run. I know it's easy to criticise blah blah blah... But i received a call asking if my band wanted to do it. I asked them where the door money goes and they weren't able to tell me! Then i said send me an email with the info so i got something official. They said they would but it never arrived.

If bands are doing well out of it and not being ripped off then that's great. There are so many different approaches to running a band and they just don't suit everyone.

The reason we declined in the end was because we didn't know where the money was going and it was just gonna make our gigs suffer if we were trying to make our crew come to these shows instead.
</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


MrLoud 2 Aug 2005 17:46

Zoupa, respect for posting and thanks for clearing up some points for perhaps the younger bands / less experienced bands that may want to engage in such an event...
From the business perspective, I agree with you, $5K don't come easy.

Perhaps what you failed to include in you detailed retort was the peripheral people who are employed by PA etc during these events.
You actually sound human, however some of your co worker barely made it out the primordial soup.
Keep in mind these people are the main cause for slander.

Another thing because a band doesn't get selected DOES NOT mean they suck. What sort of shit are you able to speak dude. Give these guys a break, winning a BOB isn't going to make you a multi platinum selling, 3 year world touring, private jet owning, cover of Rolling Stone superstar band.
I don't have to explain myself here, I just think you flamed and thats it.

Just out of curiosity, How many bands that win these BOB's actually become a household name with longevity? I'm purely talking about Aussie Promotion BOB not JJJ UnEarthed etc...
Also what realistic expectations do you give these artists, or is there any documentation or facts sheet that is accessible?
I can understand why you are pissed off but you too have to/must understand why many artists get pissed off too.
I think serious bands realise early on what the industry is about, but some dwell in the idea of being a superstar band and have ego to match.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Mich55 3 Aug 2005 10:06

i just wanted to add about Duane Z that you mentioned.... fair enough that he has been in the music business for so long and has worked with all these young bands blah blah but he also screwed over some people i know that were in an awesome band who also wanted to be serious and work with them but as soon as they said they didnt want to ALSO be a cover band to make him more money he booted with some of there cash that was meant to go things that never came.

i do think though some BOB's can be ok personally i think it can be more of a fun thing u can meet other bands and just get some more experience on stage for younger bands starting out even
</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Jemwitch 3 Aug 2005 18:02

We did a battle of the bands a while ago for Freeza. Basically 'cos we can't get on their bills and are hell keen to play to younger people. It was so frustrating when you were a kid having to see punk bands all the time!
Well we turned up and the place was full of mini Johnny Rottens!
They were tearing the place up and having a ball. Within 30 seconds of our set starting we'd cleared a semi circle in front of the stage half the size of the room. these kids were most unimpressed. Then it was weird. they started stepping forward one by one and by the end of our set the place was packed!

What an awesome crowd. it's a shame it's so hard to get these kids to see a broader scope of bands than the freeza thing allows.

Bit of the subject but ti thought it was time for a positive story.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Renee57 4 Aug 2005 13:21

Am I the only one that thinks
archangel sounds like a fuckwit? How can you judge bands as being shit just because they don't win? Chub 57 got through to the next round and I am still dead against them playing. They are extremely talented and will go far. I don't want them to be signed by Duane and if they are ever offered a contract by him, i'd make sure they knock it back. I've never heard of Tremedy so I guess that says a lot about the issue to start with.

I can't justify how paying an entry fee is helping the band? You're so quick to defend BOTS but you're obviously not looking at all the issues. Yes, I know how gigs are run and the costs involved. I've organised many of them myself but never once have I asked or made the band pay for the expenses.

If Battle Of The Sounds and Duane are such fucken awesome things helping the local music scene, then they'll find a way to cover the costs and not take it out of a hard working band.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


serpent 4 Aug 2005 15:38

To put it into one sentence:
Any Battle of the Bands where winners are determined by audience votes (vote stacking) rather than by competent and suitably qualified judges has all the integrity of Australian Idol.

It's just a cynical scheme to get payers through the doors so that the venues and organisers can make more money and not have to pay the bands squat.

Q: How do you get live bands into your venue without having to pay them?

A:Call the gig a Battle of the bands and they'll play for nothing!
</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


NeilWedd 4 Aug 2005 18:40

You could play at the Uprising for Free but get promoted with a review and a preview. You get a good PA with a mixer for free.
You might get noticed by some people who like what you do.
Or you could do a BOB that makes money for somebody and has no respect for the musicians.
Where have the winners of the previous BOB's gone.
I realise that it is hard to get a gig but if you supported live gigs like Jager Uprising you might find that we would support you.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


SpedsMB 5 Aug 2005 10:05

I'm right there with you serpent. Arcangel's post actually turned me further off Battles coz he's clearly one of the muddy minded organises behind these disasters and dilluded to think we will listen to his logic as an intelligent opinion when he uses words like "cunt" and "faggot".

First thing I thought readin his post is... how come I've never heard of "Tremedy"... because I'm usually at least familiar with a band's name if they've ever been mentioned in street press or in gig guides and so on.

All I can say is listen to Neil, before you try any battle of the bands try getting on a Jager show. There's no alterior motive behind Neil's shows. You play, you get free beers, a great night and good exposure.... You get better exposure playing first on a Wednesday night Jager line-up than you WINNING an Aussie Promotions Battle.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


MrLoud 5 Aug 2005 13:14

The word Troll comes to mind.

Yeh the whole faggot holding a strat line, then throw in the c word then name drop, then thrown in Pentatonic.... blah, blah - you see guys, you'll deal with guys like him and worse.

Do a Jager show and take it from there atleast.
Google these guys - see what you find.

Over it, l8r.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


archangel 10 Aug 2005 09:48

Hey Renee, I was gonna put together a package for the %7 boys, coz Jason's a really good guy, as you ight notice since your going out with him, but soon as you started slandering Duane on the net, we couldn't exaclty do this shit for them could we. Adn you got your wish, they aren't playing in the quarterfinals.
To all of you, when I went in the Battle, I was saying the same shit, about how dodgy it was, how the ticket system's fucked... but it's really genius. It forces the bands to show how many people they can pull and it generates enough capital to cover expenses.
But Renee, you're a perfect example reason that Duane is such a hard cunt. Over the years he's tried to give people opportunities and they've decided that they didn't like him and said shit about him behind his back and Aussie Promotions has a bad reputation now and all he ever wanted was to make people famous.
Frankly, it's really fucked seeing an old man, with such a pained expression on his face when one of you guys pulls out on the night or whatever, I can see how he's been through it so many times... And of course he's like: 'well fuck them if they wanna be difficult.'
I've been running gigs for a while now, independant of Duane. I'll call dudes to make sure they're okay to play and then they still don't rock up.
And they don't tell you.
What the fuck? You don't rock up to your own gig? You don't want the exposure, you don't want the cash?
I'm fucken 23 and I'm seriously unsure of if I really want to dedicate my life to supporting bands anymore.
How d'u think Duane is about it.
He's AT LEAST double my age.
And he's definitely twice as hurt by it.
I might give the CHUB57 crew some other gigs. But obviously Duane's not happy with you for saying what you have said. Allow me to validate you: I understand how you feel and the man is a cold man when you speak to him.
But you gotta be tough sometimes.
Feelings are natural, but the thing that's gonna get you to wherever the fuck you want to be, is being tough, resilient. No-one FEELS like going to work. No-one FEELS like doing a poster-run for their gigs. No-one FEELS like selling tickets, even if it means they might get signed or get $5000.
But you just take a breath and do it.
Coz you know that you CAN.

I took a deep breath once, listened to an old man, helped him, he helped me, we worked together... and then when I saw the pain on his face it all made sense... </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


MrLoud 11 Aug 2005 11:01

Arch, no offence mate, but I think you should let Duane speak for himself because you make him seem like some frikken cult religious heart felt leader or something.
Your empty threats and exacted revenge is boring and childish and is only rubbishing Duanes cred on this forum.
Talent is Talent - If Liam Gallagher told his manager to fuck himself (which I am sure he has on accasion) his manager isn't going to drop him now is he. Why?
Because money is money, business is business - so shut up and deal with your talent / product, get out there and make squillions....... so everyone is happy.. especially the band and management.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


beachball 11 Aug 2005 15:58

I've been playing for a long time and have loved every minute, but I never needed to play these battle of the bands type scenarios, or slag off younger acts for having a go. Arch angel you're a sheep in a long line of sheep waiting to get shorn for the third time. Give it afew years and you'll see. </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Renee57 11 Aug 2005 17:15

Firstly, I am not Jason's girlfriend. The boys don't exactly want to be signed, they want to make it on their own. Money certainly helps for this. As for the boys not playing in the quarter finals, since when? There is no need for you to use the C word so much either. I think all the young kids with a strat that think they're the next rock god should be admired for their enthusiasm.

You can't generalise bands. Just because one band doesn't show up, doesn't mean they're all like that. If Duane is going to make the Chub 57 boys be at a disadvantage because of what I've said, that just shows his lack of management skills. Give me your number or email address and we can discuss this further.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


musicislove 12 Aug 2005 12:18

When will you guys learn? 'Battles of bands' are both retarded, and frought with inconsistencies and thieving fucks. If I was in Chub57, I would firstly change the name of my band, and then I would thank the sweet lord I got out of this scam with my ego/wallet in tact. Every band in Melbourne is beyond this shit, regardless of your genre, talent, whatever. Battles are opportunities to exploit music and if you are passionate about music, you will play it anywhere you can in front of anyone who'll listen, except Battles (or other scenarios where you are asked to pay to play).
</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


minime 28 Aug 2005 10:15

Archangel Zoupa,

Let's start from the top here, since once of my befriended bands almost agreed on playing this Locker Room ... let's call it THINGY.

OK - to get things straight: you are one of the bookers for BOS, correct?
We reiterated in this thread that Duanne Zigliotto does the same thing ... apparently as far as I understood (and was informed some while ago) ALSO with BOS, correct?
Now this makes me wonder how you could work independently of him???
Well, one strange thing aside ... would you be able to detail to the folks here

1) Is there a real necessity for a stage mixer, DUDE? Let's just fuck him off and save say 50-120 bucks, will we! I myself played hundreds of shows all over this planet, and I think the luxury of a stage mixer I had say 40 times (or around 5% of all shows) - a stage mixer was usually available at festivals with an audience attendence starting at around 600ppl.
2) I'm sure the bird running the 'check-in' would be alright with say $13/hr - at 3hrs that's 40 bucks. But since you like her so much - hence you call her DOORBITCH - maybe you can even lower that one :)
3) The front of house dude - what's he get for the night? I mean, I do not really give a damn whether he previously mixed Jimmy Barnes, since all he does is his job - period. And how come if he's such high profile, he's hiding in the 'Locker Room' mixing your 'Strat Starter Cunts' instead of making some good $$$ with Jimmy and Co. and advance to the next level.
4) The host - do you mean the presenter of da show (which really should be one of you guys anyhow) or do you mean the venue hosting it? Well, in latter case I'd fuck 'em off as well and look for a new venue where revenue is generated the 'normal' way (by selling beverages to patrons and/or getting a percentage of the door)
5) WHO THE FUCK IS THE PRODUCER of a Battle Of The Bands and what is his detailed job description .... and how much money does this fellow 'industry' person get for his services? Please please describe!!!


Now, archangel, even if you were to completely ignore my outlines above, I ran through a little calculation: you guys make between 1500 and 1800 nuggets every wed night, right, through ticket sales of the bands? Even if you were to pay ... and I am bidding high here ... let's assume 800 dollars all up - meaning the guys/girls mentioned above get around 150-200 dollars each (not too bad for a boring wednesday night's doorbitch account) you (and possibly Duanne?) wouldn't do too badly here according to algebra!

I did leave aside all you your prices and stuff ... but let's just be all fair and argue that the prizes you announce suck to start with - btw, who said the show is run by Premier Artists - fuck Frank S lives around my corner, maybe I ask him! But as far as I know that's bull!
Plus you guys don't pay for them, that's clear!

Now ZOUPA, when you write emails to bands, you might want to observe your use of language ... and when you post stuff on the web you also might wanna check up on your education, my friend!

Music is my business as well for many a year now ... but your two posts left me posting this message ... something I do not do on a regular basis.

There'd be heaps more to say - and if you so want 'let's have a little supper' here or anywhere.
Bands: don't play that BOS unless your mom'n'dad give u 60 bucks - NEVER NEVER go for a (pre-sold) TICKET DEAL!
It is call PAY-TO-PLAY and is one of the biggest musician rip offs ever invented!
And it does not matter whether you just started being a 'muso' or band!
Organise your own shows or hop into the 'support' train and give tour bookers a call (if you're experienced enough)! It WILL take TIME and EFFORT to do so, but you'll be sure you won't have to pay in order to entertain! One guy in the audience or 1000!
Working hard will show results!
But at all times be AWARE of things and ASK UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS - build your own CLOUT, and you'll be a much more 'happy camper' at the end.

Offended,
Frank




</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


MrLoud 29 Aug 2005 11:33

Frank, I wouldn't worry about him mate.
He avoids answering questions, testament to his lack of credability in my books.
Think troll.!!!</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


minime 29 Aug 2005 18:31

Hi Mr Loud,

I would love to ignore the subject altogether, but since the recent 'life venue' developments in Melbourne are of concern (with many clubs seem to having make way for residential sites - probably due to local councils trying to 'clean up' before the Commonwealth Games ... in order to get rid of everything hippy, punk and of 'dirty and rotten' appeal, but that's just my very own theory) I do see similarities to the downer of the Los Angeles music scene in the early footsteps ... amid Pay To Play which seems somewhat the only way to emerge as a young and developping artist.

I do fear that people like Archangel Zoupaman are on the increase using the ever decreasing amount of life venues to their own advantage.

I do so forecast that whilst the government would like the 'DECENT' to attend TAB's and fill up the Pokies (revenue last year: $594m) solely - the punters will be locked out from the entertainment circle ... unless they hook up with a scammy system of jerks. I mean what kinda message does all this deliver? Seems like: 'hey kids, and when you're old enough we might allow you to utilize the TAB's Wurlitzer to listen to all your favourites from the 80's, but don't dare to tell your parents you're into following those footsteps and attempt to become musicians since it will make you bankrupt!'

Well - that WILL happen, if we do not strongly disagree HERE, THERE and WHEREVER we're talking music business!

Now to bring this thread to a 'decent' conclusion as to what we've learned: anyone in this Melbourne music scenecalling themselves 'INDUSTRY PEOPLE' might wanna try drill a hole into their knee ... and fuck emselves!!! Honestly!

The INDUSTRY is YOU!!! For fuck sake! Yes - you, the 'Strat Cunts' - as it is understood Archangel calls all of you - and me, I think.

Fight him - and get rid of this bollocks! And better start today, since it might be too late by tomorrow!
Frank
PS: I'm a triple LesPaul Cunt, sorry I don't fit in all that nicely, but I might just go out and buy a Stratocaster tomorrow to pal up with everyone else Zoupa is referring to.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


minime 4 Sep 2005 08:16

... ahem .... NEIL, I just learned to know that Jaegermeister is apparently sponsoring a Revolver thing called 'Fresh 2005'. Just wondering since you are part of the 'Jaeger Uprising', hence might have some 'insider information' as to other projects the manufacturer of alcoholic beverages involves themselves.

Well, would you be able to confirm that (?) ... just asking since it fits quite nicely into this thread.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Renee57 13 Oct 2005 19:35

I went to the battle on Tuesday night as The King city seven were playing. Sure enough, they got through the the next round along with 6 other bands. I'll keep my opinion to myself about what I think because last time it caused some confusion. I will say that I was disgusted with the stage crew. The older guy who was introducing the bands was awesome but the younger bucks out the back were a pack of wankers. They didn't give the bands anytime to pack up and were pretty much throwing the bands' equipment out in the hall, blocking the fire exit too. The were rude and arrogant. Anyone else had experiences like this? </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


cooko 26 Oct 2005 11:49

hey guys..

..last night i went into the mercury lounge to see a mates band play in a battle of the bands. he had come to heaps of our gigs so i thought id return the favour. apparently they had won their first heat (which ment they didnt win anything..only that they got through to the next round) which i thought was kinda dodgy already. when talking to my mates on the car trip in, they told me that each band had to sell 60 tickets each @ $8, or it was $10 at the door. i thought this was waaaay to expencive considering each band had 20mins to play and it would be hard to get people to come and watch your band for that much money and such a short amount of time. now this is the dodgy part, if a band didnt sell all 60 tickets, then they would have to pay the rest of the money themselves, so they were paying to play in the crappy competition. they wouldnt see a single cent of the money unless they won the whole competition!
when we turned up, we realised we were a little late for our mates band, we asked the person at the door if they had been on long.. he replied "yeah maybe a few minutes", it turned out they had 2mins left in their set which we paid $10 to see.

when i spoke to the band after they played.. they told me that the band that won the whole competition last year.. STILL HAVENT BEEN PAID THEIR WINNINGS!!

STAY AWAY FROM AUSSIE PROMOTIONS.. THEY ORGANISED THIS!!!
</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Disappointed 21 Dec 2005 20:15

Found this forum by accident when searching for info on Aussie Promotions. Interesting reading! I attended several of the heats and finals of the 'Battle of the Sounds'. Had an uneasy feeling about the competition and the venue.

The stage staff were rude and did not look after the obvious co-operative bands, in fact treated them appalling, even swearing unnecessarily at a female band member (heard inside the club). There seemed to be an air of familiarity between some competitors and organisers. One bouncer at the door had an appalling attitude towards everyone, even treating parents of bands with arrogance and unwarranted disrespect. Rules were bent:

RULE ONE: No band is to play over 12 minutes. This rule was adhered to only by one or two bands each heat that I attended. We timed them all. Some bands played up to 25 minutes!! Despite the rules being that a band can lose points and even be disqualified for this, the offending bands were still put forward to the next round!

RULE TWO: On the night of competition, check in time for bands was between 5pm and 6pm. First in had preference to choose an appearance time. Interestingly, even if they arrived before 5pm several places were already taken!

RULE THREE: All bands were issued with 40 tickets for pre-sale. These tickets were limited (according to the entry criteria) as limited space was available because of the popularity of the event. Interestingly once again, extra tickets were issued to some bands upon request!

All these broken rules put legitimate rule abiding bands of their back foot before they even started.

The winner of the competition I had not seen at the heats I attended and unfortunately I could not even get their correct name from Aussie Promotions when I phoned! They also gave me incorrect information as to who got 2nd place and couldn't remember who got 3rd place! Not very professional and most disappointing.

The reply in this forum from ZOUPA defending the competition was unnecessarily crude and ill informed and did nothing to ease my suspicians of this poorly run event. Many talented bands 'BEHAVED' and adhered to the rules and were still treated with disrespect even though they were obviously polite. Not all complaints are from lazy hippy musicians but also from the public who attended. I dislike seeing people treated with disrespect. So unnecessary!</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


TREMEDY 15 Aug 2006 03:10

The "archangel" who has commented on this page is NOT a member of TREMEDY and does NOT speak for anyone in or associated with the band. We believe in young bands supporting one another, not competing. Good luck and be sure to ignore any further comments by this holier than thou person. The "archangel" who has commented on this page is NOT a member of TREMEDY and does NOT speak for anyone in or associated with the band.
- TREMEDY </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


TREMEDY 16 Aug 2006 14:00

Tremedy is also NOT managed by or associated with anyone involved in Battle Of The Sounds or Aussie Promotions.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


conned 7 Sep 2008 01:26

Battle of the bands what a wank!!!!
This prick has been ripping off young bands now for 40 years. I had my first exp with him then and i can't believe he is still doing it. He promises the world and delivers nothing but debt to the band. beware of him he is full shit and all he does is give bands broken promises and non payment if you get a gig from him beware untrustworthy SOB. Stay away from him. </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


conned 7 Sep 2008 01:26

Battle of the bands what a wank!!!!
This prick has been ripping off young bands now for 40 years. I had my first exp with him then and i can't believe he is still doing it. He promises the world and delivers nothing but debt to the band. beware of him he is full shit and all he does is give bands broken promises and non payment if you get a gig from him beware untrustworthy SOB. Stay away from him. </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


» Post A Reply

« Back to Topic List


II
Join The Indie Initiative Mailing List