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Souls on Board 'extremely angry'

KrisBasics 18 Aug 2005 16:31

In Adelaide I picked up a copy of the bi-monthly "Mess Noise" magazine featuring a '24-hour interview' with Souls on Board frontman Anthony Petrucci. A pretty good article on a band that I quite like, one part caught my attention.

Anthony starts talking about self-promotion at gigs, you know - mentioning that you have CDs for sale etc. Here's an excerpt from the article:

"It's hard. Because each gig there might be a few people that really like it, they might come up and say they like it. And I just feel like a bit of a fool saying 'Oh can I get your email.' Y'know, I just like talking. The other night at the Northcote Social Club I said something like 'Oh yeah we've got cds for sale over there if you're interested' but ... it generally just feels fake. We played the other night at the Duke and when we went on the band before us had left their setlists on stage. Between songs it said one of the band members' names and next to it 'Talk about cd and email list,' then three more songs it had a different guy and 'Discuss upcoming gigs.' Then the last had another guy's name and 'Mention email list again.' It made me extremely angry to read that. Really angry. I don't know which band it was cause I didn't know their songs or names. I guess it was a valid approach if you're wanting to make money from this thing but it's not a very valid approach if you wanna perform."

The interviewer and Anthony go on to outline his preferred approach and then onto other matters.

I don't know if it was us, but we supported Souls on Board at the Duke about six months ago, and at the time we were trying different approaches with 'between song banter'. Most band members know it's one of the hardest things to do, you don't want to say too little and people not know who you are, and you don't want to say too much and bore them.

It may not be us that he was referring to, but nonetheless I find it a bit upsetting that Anthony could be so extremely angered at another band's attempt to make good. We're all trying to do our best, and it's not always easy to get through to people - a point illustrated by the fact Anthony didn't even remember the name of the band he was referring to.

It also brings to mind something that Mia Dyson had said to our guitarist Tim Heath. In summary, she just noted how in the folk/roots scene everyone is interested in networking and helping everyone else along, in contrast with the rock'n'roll scene where everyone is critical of everyone else because they're only interested in their own success.

Personally, we try and adopt the former approach and try to be constructive with our dealings with other bands, and focus on the positives. We also endeavour to meet, greet and stay in contact with those bands we've supported or who have supported us.

Anyway, would love to hear your comments on this, and Anthony, if you're reading this, I'd love to have a chat to you and quell that extremely angry head of yours.

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lukelukeluke 18 Aug 2005 22:54

What pisses me off most is that Anthony didn't even know who the band was that played before Souls on Board. It's damn rude to turn up to a gig and show no interest in the other bands, he should have bloody well known exactly who he was playing with. Even if you've never met the other bands on a bill with you, it's your responsibility to listen to them, to encourage your own fans to accomodate the other bands, and to make friends with the other bands. Maybe I'm going off on a tangent, but I get so pissed off with bands that have a rock-star attitude and treat the bands before or after them with contempt. I was mixing a few bands the other night, and the opening act a) didn't bring a single person b) nicked off as soon as they were finished and c) didn't contribute any money to paying the sound guy (which was me, however the kind headline act sorted me out).

It's not always the headline acts that are rude to other bands. I hate seeing selfish support acts that deliberately delay the beginning of their set in order to capitalise on a potentially larger crowd, which means the headline act have to put up with annoyed fans having to stay up till 2am and who will not come back next time because they know it'll be a later gig than advertised. And on top of starting late, a lot of support acts will then play for far too long, and then wander off talking and wasting time instead of getting their gear immediately off the stage and helping the next band carry their gear onto the stage.

Most rock bands here in Melbourne have no interest in forming a community. All they do is snigger behind people's backs and try to remind themselves how cool they are, and they seem to foster an attitude of similar contempt in their fans. They never seem to encourage their own support base to embrace other bands, either by word or by example.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Jemwitch 19 Aug 2005 10:50

I don't know what bands you guys are playing with but we've had no trouble in getting a community of like minded bands together that are happy to play with eachother whether they're on first or last.

And how can you expect a touring band to remember every band they play with? i doubt he conscioulsy forgot!
And in my experience the serious headline bands, the dudes that have been doing it for a long time, are generally the most modest and helpful/encouraging.

As for bands that go on first and play too long etc. we have a simple remedy. We just don't book them again. There are so many bands in this city that you can really be that picky.
Instead of complaining we've just made a point of playing with bands who are proffesionial, supportive and generally good people.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


KrisBasics 19 Aug 2005 11:42

Hi Jemwitch, just to respond to your comment "And how can you expect a touring band to remember every band they play with? i doubt he conscioulsy forgot!"

We've done about 10 tours around the country in the last two years, and have almost finished our first complete National Tour - I can personally say I've made an effort to remember all the bands that support us, in fact I think effort is the wrong word! It's just courtesy.

Not only that, but both The Basics and Souls on Board are local Melbourne acts playing at a Melbourne venue - in fact, we did our best to introduce ourselves... I guess that didn't work either.

As for a community, we also have our own little group of like-minded bands like Spargo, Basil, The Suns, The Shambles, Bordello, Late Nite Access and I'd even count British India among them.

And you are right about the serious headline bands being the most helpful/encouraging - we've always been of the attitude that what goes around comes around.

Thanks for your feedback!

Kris - The Basics
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lukelukeluke 19 Aug 2005 14:45

Jemwitch, to a certain extent I agree with you that on the whole the headline bands who have got a little further in their careers are often more humble. So often some band will come along that hasn't really done much, but think they're totally above the whole scene, and think that being polite to others and networking is beneath them and not part of the job description.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Jemwitch 19 Aug 2005 15:19

I didn't realise they were locals. maybe they were just doing the courteous thing and not giving the band bad press. I have to say if i stumbled upon that setlist i'd be pretty uninspired. Whether it would bother me or not. I mean there is a million ways to go about being in a band and it's no ones place to tell anyone how to do it. So i don't think this Souls on Board guy did anything wrong. He didn't mention the band and merely expressed the fact it got him down. Fair enough. You can't hold it against him.
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KrisBasics 19 Aug 2005 15:27

It's funny that you'd say "they" - I have a distinct feeling he was actually referring to our band The Basics. Like I said in my original post, between-song banter is the hardest part of a show for most bands, and we were just trying some different ways of approaching it, including 'scripting' some direction.

Either way, he can't be blamed for misinterpreting our motivations based on glancing at a setlist, but there's a difference between being uninspired and being "extremely angry".

Thanks again for giving your comments.

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guy 22 Aug 2005 23:45

I can't believe anyone would be angry about a band telling their audience about their mailing list, CDs, future gigs, whatever. Bands have to be prepared to market themselves, because if they won't do it, why should anybody else? It doesn't mean you have to start giving away free steak knives, or being offensively aggressive about it.

I think Anthony Petrucci is the one with the problem here...he's uncomfortable about promoting himself/his band - that's fine, but he doesn't have to make out like anyone who doesn't have a problem with doing it is somehow suspect. </title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


musicislove 24 Aug 2005 11:01

There are a few issues here I think are worth talking about.

I think 'guy' summed Anthony up well:
"I think Anthony Petrucci is the one with the problem here...he's uncomfortable about promoting himself/his band - that's fine, but he doesn't have to make out like anyone who doesn't have a problem with doing it is somehow suspect. "

The other thing that I could really relate to was having to deal with support bands that turn up, bring no one, wait until the room is full with other bands punters before they will play, then play too long, then fuck around backstage or at the bar or whatever, before they remove their gear and leave by carting their gear out during the next bands set. I have had enough of that shit. Previously we would swallow our frustration and deal with it. But now when it happens I just make a point of telling the venue manager (who doesn't want them back after he discovers at the end of the night that they brought no punters and carried on like turds), and then I tell every band I deal with not to deal with them. Just choosing not to play with them doesn't allow for other bands to avoid their bullshit.

The very least you can do in this business (and it is a business) is treat your comrades with the same respect you would appreciate. When another band fails to do that I am so disappointed. It is hard enough. It is hard enough getting fucked by venues, the government, drunks who want to hear 'tobacco road'. As far as I am concerned, there is no room for poor form between bands themselves. This can be anything like ripping down posters of other acts to not bothering to stick around once you ahve played.
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Jemwitch 24 Aug 2005 15:50

I didn't know Tobacco road was so well known!
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MrLoud 24 Aug 2005 17:59

Well said luke - Your point about fuck head bands not packing their shit of stage IMMEDIATELY really pisses me off too.
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