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Swampcrow 11 Mar 2006 13:05

Buckle up, time for a bitch ...

I can only wonder what response is respected when "Hot Shots" is promoted as the "best" of the Uprising bands.

Begs the question, says who?, and what's the yardstick?And what of we "poor souls" who didn't make it? Can we be expected to survive the awful stigma? ;-)

I note on another thread "Bad Review" that people have noted that fashion, hair length, etc. seem to be disproportionately important. One person apparently had hair too short - I also had the length of my hair snidely referred to - because it was too long ;-)

We humble souls at 28th Mansion are not (as yet) the best this city has to offer (though I'm open to debate) but we were bemused to notice a band we played with, who we (ummm) wouldn't consider to be in the same league, have been touted as one of this elite troupe of "best of".

Another band that has been hugely promoted by this site and on their review are of the same variety - which suggests that it might be better to more accurately portray "best of" as simply "preferred by those who like their rock pop", preferably played by boys with the right hair and (how COOL!!!) wearing their glasses on stage!

We've recently had a Dutch label tell us to get over there as quickly as possible since Australia "is not much more credible that the sort of pop they play in Japan or Korea" as far as the big markets are concerned.

How about we consider not rewarding McDonald's music as "best of"? Disposable and pop is not "the best". Hey, we're not above disposable, our first video single is about as deep as a tea-spoon. And one of our best friends is drummer for one of the "Hot Shots" bands - though he's a wake-up to this sort of promotion and has proudly worn a "I played at Jager Uprising and all I got was this F*%cking T-Shirt"!, so I and everyone else know the style has it's place.

But how about we not call it "the best". It's simply a video hits "type" (though again, I know other bands who've "made it" to "Hot Shot" status who are a more than just that - but you get my drift).

If nothing else, it will disincline the more spiteful "wannabe's" (sigh) amongst us who did not make it to the stellar heights of "Hot Shots" to get on to forums to snipe about it.

Just a thought ... ;-)

Finn "Swampcrow"
28th Mansion
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NeilWedd 12 Mar 2006 09:36

And people wonder how they don't get anywhere!!!
Bands get the gig because we believe that having made the effort to get a crowd on a Wednesday they get a shot at a Friday.
All the bands got 50 or more people on a Wednesday night.
For us that is a big part of the Fridays. We want to have a big crowd for the bands.
So many bands tell us they will bring a huge crowd and then bring 10 people.
Then they say we could have had so many more if we played on the weekend.
Having booked bands for 20 years I've heard every story.
Somebody had a 21st yada yada yada.
The haircuts are important from an image point of view, not from getting a gig.
Go overseas and become a success.
But a whining attitude is a poor attitude anywhere in the world.
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Swampcrow 23 Mar 2006 08:44

Hardly a whine there Neil. All the "stories" you've heard over the last 20 years ... ho hum ... in no way represent my point.

Nor do we "wonder why we haven't got anywhere". Our national tv and radio exposure are doing for us quite well enough at the moment. Don't be snide, you guru you ;-) Oh, and hope you caught our television interview on 31 last night. A wee tad more exposure than Indie Initiative, wouldn't you say? So no, don't be TOO quick to suggest a "whine".

Back to the point, however, you have confirmed my point. "HotShots" is NOT the best of the lot, it's the people who brought in the most on a Wednesday night gig.

Fairly simple point, isn't it? It's not an assessment of talent as "best of" would suggest, but rather, who can pull in the largest amount of friends. Because, OF COURSE, the Uprising stuff was meant to be for bands just starting. Therefore, of course, it was about who bothered to invite friends.

But it is good you clarified that. Perhaps it might be a thought to take a step further and specify it when you promote as "best of", oui?

And yes, image is important. We are the first to understand (and, shall I say, benefit from) that. Let's not make out, however, that you and your reviewers necessarily have your finger on the pulse regarding what works and what doesn't.

In Chaos, my friend ;-)

Finn "Swampcrow"
28th Mansion
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NeilWedd 23 Mar 2006 09:20

Very happy if you succeed.
However experience counts for something especially when booking.
Some things don't change. Bands lie to get a gig.
Everybody pumps themselves up to appear bigger.
If you get a gig and succeed then you get another chance.
Otherwise people don't bother with you again.
From a monetary point of view which is where I have to come from bands must bring people.
Having bands that bring nobody means the venue doesn't last long.
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Swampcrow 23 Mar 2006 16:50

Well, many thanks for your best wishes.

Bear in mind, there's not a thing I disagree with in the points you make, especially relating to bands "pumping themselves up" (though I note you forgot to mention that promoters are even more notorious in regards to this issue) - however, they are not referring to the point I made.

Undoubtedly, venues need to ensure that they can bring people in the door, obviously. However, when a promoter suggests "best of" he is going well beyond the purely necessary and mercenary need to make a buck by pulling in punters. He is suggesting a measure of quality.

There are two hats that are being worn here - one is as promoter making a buck for himself and his project, one is a promoter making a judgement of quality.

But your clarification is both helpful and valuable, and possibly future bands, knowing the criterion for Hot Shots et al., will make sure they bring all their family and friends in order to compete on that level (and that level alone).

Amyway, enough of this, just wanted to clarify what was meant by "best of". Even bands as self-effacing and humble as 28th Mansion might take some sort of offense otherwise ... we artistes are nothing if not precious, after all ;-)

Finn McMillan
28th Mansion
www.users.bigpond.net.au/28thMansion

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