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NeilWedd 12 Mar 2006 09:29

From an Article at http://www.amo.org.au/interview.asp?id=1123

Lastly, what do you think is the most important issue facing Australian music today?
Putting aside all the challenges of constantly evolving technology, I think one of the most important challenges we have been facing as an industry for a while now is that of redeveloping live music as a viable entertainment option for the masses. The common trend nowadays is for people to turn up at venues based solely on who is playing, usually turning up right on time to see that particular act.

I think the challenge for the industry is to try to develop a new idea of live music as a night out, rather than a piece of a night, if that makes sense. Being a relatively young manager, I wasn?t out there going to pubs and clubs in the 80s, but I constantly hear stories of how strong the live music scene was, and how it was more centred around music as a whole, as opposed to going out to see a particular band. It would be amazing for the development of new talent in this country if we could make people think that way about music again.

This is a very astute comment. The success of indie disco's (Next, Bootleg) that feature bands as part of the entertainment, not as the focus is the way of the future.
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lukelukeluke 14 Mar 2006 10:46

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DaveJohnston 14 Mar 2006 11:11

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed. Last night I went to Darren Jones' first benefit night at Ruby's. I witnessed, no, was gobsmacked by, the awe inspiring array of musicians, probably virtually unknown, of all ages, and differing 'training' origins (College of the Arts to self taught), in lineups ranging from ad hoc one off to re-formed from years ago. The musicianship and presentation, not to mention camaraderie and commitment, was outstanding. It was a thoroughly entertaining (and, of course, extremely worthwhile) night. My point - embrace diversity, bend an ear towards more than just your favourite act or style, go out just to hear music and appreciate it for what it is. It might just enrich your life, and the spirit of tolerance engendered enhance the future of music.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


dodgerebuff 22 Mar 2006 11:59

You've got it down to a tee Neil.. Only problem i see withtthe whole big picture is that is there still room to revive the scene into what it was? Money wasnt as much of an issue in the 80's as it is today where music can be big big money for big execs.. That said however there is deffinately still a place for our pumping live music scene. to be honest, I know it times I have avoided some gigs due to the fact that one or two of the bands playing I don't like/are not fond of etc. That said however, if i go to a gig I'm there at 8:30 to catch the first act. Imagine if we ALL made it to at least one gig a week? Rather than 10 or 20 ppl at ur local venue we would have 300 or 400 punters!! We should make a national day of "support your local music scene" where everyone has to make it down to a show!! BBQ nites and sunday arvo sessions are always a crowd puller. Lots of bands = lots of ppl = GREAT MUSIC!!</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Glister 29 Mar 2006 09:09

YOu are right. We rely too much on the bands in a venue. If you have indie bands that nobody knows, why not turn the volume down a bit and make it so people can also chat or do other 'things'. Our friends come to our gigs more to meet up with other people, often they don't like the bands we play with. But it's always so loud they can't even chat to each other. So they stop coming to gigs. You've got to make gigs more social, I say. But that said, we have been working on a our stage performance to be much more entertaining so that people who mightn't have seen us before are at least entertained, even if they don't like our sound.

I'm also writing an article at the moment about growing the underage scene which filters into the over 18 scene eventually, and how if we can get the kids into it, the next generation will pour into pubs to see bands etc during the week, not just on weekends.

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lukelukeluke 1 Apr 2006 07:48

I TOTALLY agree with that last post by `glister' - bands really just play to their friends etc, but very quickly these friends stop coming to gigs, because it's SO LOUD and it's not usually an environment they feel comfortable in, it's often a pretty uncool pub, (I won't mention names but nearly every band venue in Melb fits this category), or a place with dirty floors, disgusting toilets, in a seedy part of town, etc. The bands always have starting time that are ridiculously late to begin with, and then on top of that they start 45 minutes LATER than the already-late time they SHOULD have started!

I do think sound mixers have got a lot to answer for - even if you don't want to talk to friends, the music needn't be so loud that you can't even tell what's being played. Big volume doesn't mean a band rocks. It's just loud. If people can't talk to their friends, who they catch up with only once a month or so at the gigs which is the only place they all are re-united, then what's the point?</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


tintin 3 Apr 2006 14:55

I cant say i have ever gone to see a band play to have a chat, isnt the idea to listen to the band rock out have a drink and then party on at the pub after. sure you go with your mates but if you wana chat away maybe you should meet your friends at an accoustic set, or put the radio on. some great loud guitar bands sound better when the music is cranked it adds to the atmosphere i think. more happy hours/drink specials that will keep the punters happy the whole night long. obviosly depending on the venue and the space, money and restrictions it could be difficult to make big changes for some music venues. i think the visuals at the back of some bands/acts works. if it suits how they prform, then sick! at least with the local adelaide bands i see regularly they have good turnouts cos they advertise and if the people like what they see they will stay and come again.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


SoulToad 6 Apr 2006 22:08

Hey there, I'd love to get in touch with these bands to see who they used for the visuals?
Cheers!

>>>lukelukeluke 14 Mar 2006 10:46
I've mixed a couple of bands lately that used digital projectors displaying interesting visuals whilst they played. This made for a more complete entertainment package, at a low budget

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simple 1 May 2006 12:31

I enjoyed a gig on Saturday because the bands weren't cranked. I walked out and my ears weren't ringing. It was great. There's a fine line there somewhere I think. The Hornsby inn are doing well here supporting local bands by putting on bandcomps.

When bands finish too late, I find people don't hang around to party on. Alot of people in the crowd will be friends of the bands (especially the smaller indie bands) and when the band finishes, these people have to get home. Especially weeknight gigs in the city if people have to travel. Although I know its hard because people have day jobs. 9pm might be a bit late to start on a weeknight - or do the pubs with restaurants have to wait a while for the customers to finish eating??

I agree that Sound guys have a lot to answer for - I also think that venues themselves could get alot more creative.

So I think some issues are excessive volume, timeslots and venues pulling their weight...my 2c
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qcumbar 10 Jun 2006 18:21

I totally agree that most gigs I go to or play at are way too loud. I can't figure out if its the sound guy being half deaf from mixing bands 3+ nights a week or if he/she gets pleasure from watching people walk out becuase the music is distorting.

I ask our sound guy to go for clarity over ear bleeding madness. Even if you see a great band, if they are to fukin loud it can wreck to whole show.

When Im watching bands I'm not there to chat with mates, but I understand that many people do like to catrch up. I'd rather keep those people in the room than drive them out because they can't talk to each other. I'm not saying that a tough rock act should have a sound like fairies, but I think if thier whole sound is clear and you can actually hear the vocals, we might see more punters because the experience isnt dagerously loud but totally enjoyable.

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