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Band Protocol (Or: How I Stopped Worrying And Learned How to Love the Band)

FunkyBill 6 Nov 2003 14:12

I would be interested in hearing the opinion of others regarding band protocol. A smooth running gig relies upon the bands communicating and being courteous toward each other. But what responsibilities are there? There are a list of unwritten rules, but what are they? Has anyone been caught with their pants down because someone else didn’t do the right thing? What are your stories?

Here are a few thoughts to get the ball rolling. They sound all pretty common-sense based, but it is surprising to see a lack common-sense when a band doesnt want to pull their weight.

-SCHEDULES: The opening acts need to be careful not to over run their time and mess it up for the later bands, but there are often technical problems which throw the gig late. Who cuts their set short? I’ve seen too often an opening act play over time despite pleads by the mixer or bar staff to play the “last one”.

-DOOR BITCH: in the real world, a door person is supplied by the bands. How does it work when that person wants to be replaced by someone?

PLUGGING: Is it important to plug the band that plays after you when you finish up? I’ve heard that this is considered unprofessional, and ultimately self-damaging. However, it serves a logical purpose to inform people that the night isn’t over, And to stick around if they want to see more bands. Your thoughts?

DOOR LISTS: When the band you are playing with lets through 8 people on the door (they just walk through), and you let through 2, but you both get paid the same? Not very fair, but it happens.

GEAR LENDING: Gear is a personal thing and the last thing you want to see is a Kurt Cobain wannabe jam the headstock of your brand new Strat into your bandmates marshall stack. But what if someone’s amp dies, or bass drum pedal breaks? Could spell the end of the gig for a band, or if another band feels they respect that band enough, should they lend them their gear to finish the gig. Obviously this depends on the circumstance and the people on stage… but maybe you have some thoughts?

SOUND GUYS: I know from experience when mixing a band, whoever set the stage up was a moron and whoever mixed the previous band left the sound desk and patch bay in a state of chaos – not very handy when a band is walking on stage to start and you have to re-patch the stage and re-eq the rig. Is it the previous mixers responsibility to zero the desk and ensure adequate labelling of cables and patches?
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Maudrude 10 Nov 2003 10:22

Plugging other bands - it depends on whether you want to be a complete wanker or not - if you really obviously want to go for the bigger than jesus ego trip rock star angle, then don't bother plugging other bands. I however think being a reasonable human being it's a good thing to thank the band before (if you liked them) and at least mention the next band, you shouldn't be their MC or anything though.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


gibsonSG 10 Nov 2003 11:18

SCHEDULES - if a band is in anyway proffesional they will stick to a schedule.If a set has to be cut short because they decided to start late that is their problem and they should learn to deal with it. With time limits and noise restrictions at a lot of venues now, its just plain fucking rude to either start late or play longer than your allocated time just so your girlfriend/boyfriend can hear that epic power ballad you wrote for them. Some bands out there do this with no apology whatsoever. In fact they think its their right. You know who you are.
SOUND GUYS shouldn't have to baby sit another band they aren't there to mix.
Leave them to get in there do there job and get the fuck out.
DOOR STAFF for the most part if a venue wants you to play they should provide one. What do the bands have to supply bar staff too?
GEAR LENDING For the most part I don't think this should be a problem. One good turn deserves another. Gear breakdowns happen sooner or later so its bound to happen to you one day. Always be thankful to the lender and they'll remember. And anyone who thinks of doing a Pete Townsend with someone elses gear deserves to have their gear trashed in return or not to ever play in a band onstage anywhere again.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


gibsonSG 10 Nov 2003 11:22

oh and PLUGGING. I personally don't have a problem with a member of my band plugging another band who are playing especially if that band has been cool to us or has asked us to play with them. Its called respect.
DOORLISTS Unless you can pull 100+ people regularly to your gig whats the point in putting heaps of people on the door list. Your mates shouldn't mind paying. Maybe that A&R guy/girl from EMI can get in for free though. Maybe......</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Maudrude 10 Nov 2003 11:52

GEAR LENDING - indeed one good turn deserves another - unless a band can afford a road crew, if a band you're playing with are in need of help, (an amp blows etc), I think it's only right to offer some help. If you stand by watching a band you're playing with suffer problems, you're a wanker if you can't offer some help.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


drummerboy 10 Nov 2003 12:12

In my band we have been the new guys who are the first band on the line up and people ( the other bands ) treat you like shit!
Which is frustraiting to say the least...

I think you should help each other out, whether it be lending a lead or a snare drum, i think it is unfair to stand by and say "sorry i can't help you" as you would, if in the situation yourself, want people to help you....
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Tupelo 10 Nov 2003 14:15

Some good interesting points people.... many experiences could be talked about. What about SOUND CHECKS??? I know most bands have had the experience of having to adhear to strict soundcheck times (yeah right) then having to wait around for 2 hours while the "venue"people (mixer etc) fruck around. It's happened heaps to me at some pretty classy venues too! You do everything right: arrive on time (if not early), get all your gear in, find parking (which is always easy), hoping for a quick sound check, as you've planned time to get home for a shower before the gig...... result= no sound check, sore ears from listening to others, no shower, smelly gig. Rock on......</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


FunkyBill 10 Nov 2003 15:01

Yeah sound checks over the last 9 years of playing for me have become something of a luxury. (In fact out of the 200+ gigs I've played I've probably sound checked at about 30 of them). As long as the mixer is good and the PA is OK, then they are generally not needed, that said - theres nothing like getting onstage and knowing that you are going to sound good right from the first note.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Maudrude 10 Nov 2003 16:35

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