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willow 11 Oct 2004 16:08

Hi all!,
i was just wondering if anyone knows of any good venues that actually pay bands. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not just in it for the money cause if i was i wouldn't have to work some lousy day job, but it would be nice to have a little extra in the kit to pay for petrol and a few drinks. Any suggestions? Cheers!</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


MrLoud 11 Oct 2004 16:46

Simple: Play Covers!

They (venues) vary quite a bit in Melbourne.
Deals can be made with bookers but generally you'll get fuck all.
Yes, I call $50 between 4 people fuck all!!!!
If you can pull heads through the door you might make a little extra.
Better off organizing your own shows with line ups, ticketings, promos and flog your own merch at the show etc...

What sort of an act are you?

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willow 11 Oct 2004 19:27

thanks for the tips! we are an original rock band. I guess everyone else is in the same boat then and we all get shafted!!</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


NeilWedd 12 Oct 2004 10:49

Rock and roll is the ultimate capitalist industry.
You live and die by your popularity.
If you organise yourself properly and can bring a crowd you can organise your own events and make money.
Success does not just happen you have to work for it.
As you get popular your income grows. If you have what people want you can make plenty of money.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


PeriodPain 12 Oct 2004 14:13

DV8 pays handsomely ($100-$150) for a gig.




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willow 12 Oct 2004 15:18

oohhh! DV8, where is that? it's better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick! And yes Neil, i realise that success doesn't just fall in your lap, i have been working at it for quite some time. It just shits me that pubs have you over a barrel. They get their entertainment for FREE and all the punters money, and if you ask for cash they'll just get someone else in for free, they don't give a shit half the time as long as someone is on stage. But i am passionate about what i do and i will keep slogging away.........</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


NeilWedd 12 Oct 2004 16:35

Then don't play those venues. I realise you don't get paid for the Indie Initiative but we do promote bands properly.
Many bands are desparate to play and will work cheaply.
Pubs do have overheads as well.
Remember that it probably costs a venue a minimum of $500 just to open the doors each night. To make a profit they need to take at least $1000 over the bar.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


aghost 12 Oct 2004 16:44

The benefits by playing gigs like II are worth far more than a few dollars to spend on beer at the end of the night...
Its very difficult to make any money playing gigs around the place, the idea is to use smaller gigs venues as a springboard to bigger venues and therefore more cash etc.
You can make a bit of cash by organising a night etc but you have to remember its generally your mates who are getting hit up for the money...</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


willow 12 Oct 2004 20:03

yeh ok. all points taken. Like i said, i am not really in it for the money, but even a drink card would be cool. I mean we are dedicated, we travel 2-2 1/2 hours to get to the city and play. I am just thinking of petrol etc...OK, now i'm whinging...lol....</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


catfishno1 13 Oct 2004 00:25

Ridin' down the highwaY
goin' to a show
stop in all the byways
playin' rock n' roll
gettin' robbed
gettin' stoned
gettin' beat up
broken boned
gettin' had
gettin' took
i tell you folks
its harder than it looks


its a long way to the top
if you rock n' roll
its a long way to the top
if you wanna rock n' roll
if you think its easy doin' one night stands
try playing in a rock n' roll band
its a long way to the top
if you wanna rock n' roll


hotel motel
make you wanna cry
lady do the hard sell
know the reason why
gettin old
gettin grey
gettin ripped off
underpaid
gettin sold
second hand
thats how it goes
playin in a band

its a long way to the top
if you wanna rockn' roll
its a long way to the top
if you wanna rockn roll
if you wanna be a star of stage and screen
look out its rough and mean
its a long way to the top
if you wanna rock n' roll





i think that just about covers it.....


and if that's not enough check out first time hookers at the laundry thursday october 14
9-11pm
$1 pots all night
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supavillain 13 Oct 2004 11:29

Take it easy guys and gals,even if you make it to the top it costs more money and youll probably be broke anyway.I know a very successful aussie band who had a number one album in the last 4 years and i mean top of our charts and they went to america and they are still driving beaten up,run down cars and renting.pubs have always been small payers unless as N,Wedd said you become so popular you can command a fee.otherwise do it for love and cover your costs.My original band did covers to provide money for recordings etc.That worked well</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Stewie 13 Oct 2004 15:27

Heya,
I book bands for a night called MISCHIEF @ Volt nightclub (in Werribee), it runs every Friday night from 10pm-4am. I generally book two bands a night, but every third week I book three bands for the night. Bands get a guarantee of $100 (minimum) plus a GOOD fuckin rider and guest list. Check out the MISCHIEF link at the Volt site: www.voltnightclub.com.au There are details there where you can send your demos!!
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SongDog 13 Oct 2004 21:03

Only the famous and popular get appearance money which in effect is all we are doing. As Neil said sell your products at gigs for extra money Merchandise Recordings.
Think of it this way at your day job you generate a certain amount of money for your company and you are paid accordingly for your experience and expertise In the music scene most of us are down the lower end of the scale and generate SweetFA.
I look at it this way gigging is like going out with my mates only I take my guitar and play.
If I had a band that bought a good crowd of drinkers I'd want to get paid for sure but we've got to be realistic Competition and the amount of bands in Melb ruin any bargaining power we might have.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


BrendanH 24 Oct 2004 11:21

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NeilWedd 24 Oct 2004 17:53

Someone made a point the other day about people not paying enough for bands. People pay to go to discos, people pay to see bands. Venues basically subsidise bands. They take $1-$2 from the door. They pay security, advertising, PA etc. In big halls Rod LAver you pay for everything. Security, PA, lighting, food, rider etc.
Bands either up the price on the door and importantly provide a great experience for the punters or be condemned to not getting paid much.
Discos usually have good lighting, good sound and work hard at giving people entertainment. If bands can do that then they will succeed.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


beachball 26 Oct 2004 10:02

Aaaah the saga continues......look at it this way, use any average no cash gig as a rehearsal!! that's right, at least you won't have to rent a stinking match box rehearsal room to learn the set. Do the business and piss off somewhere else to drink or party, forget about loyalty to an operator who won't pay....use the force!! common sense and style. Remember these places are only popular cause "you the bands" are providing the meat and potatoes. Entertainment is an expense for the venue operator, just like every other part of the business...so enough waffle about the poorly poor pub owners etc</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


ocean 26 Oct 2004 16:19

or the other way is to fuck the indie scene and sell your soul to what ever record company'll take you. get used and spat out and hopefully make some cash on the side...or apply for idol.
@ the end of the day this is OUR business. No one makes money out of their own business for the first couple of years so you just have to lump it. do the gigs, do the promo, do the merch and network as much as possible.
and THEN, hope to whatever greater power you believe in that people love...nay need your music. its double edged...there are more riches in this game than money...</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


NeilWedd 26 Oct 2004 20:09

Try running a business where bands use the gig as a paid rehearsal. Why would you bother. Venues run through good and bad times. They could make more money as discos or as pickup joints but many owners have a passion.
In fact they make more effort than a lot of the bands. Bands that don't work hard, don't get work.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


johnnyrock 6 Nov 2004 04:21

Hey Willow i know what you mean about working hard and not getting anywhere. We played with you about 3 years ago at the armadale. You were a rock promo monster then and i don't think that dies down with more years experience, and i bet in those 3 yeaars you still only get $100 a gig if you;re lucky. same as us.

It seems weird that it's really easy and relativly quick to get a band going in melbourne then reach this cieling that you can never seem to break through. You work hard, your bands good, and you wonder why the fuck that crap band on the radio is doing so well. i guess it's that thing of right place right time, right people seeing you, etc.

i think something really possitive that keeps me going is knowing that bands like dallas crane who have been sloggin it out for 10 years or something have consistently been a quality band in all respects and it's only lately that they have had some big success. 3 years ago i saw them at big day out with about 50 people. they were awsome then and at thier cd launch at the corner a few months back i never saw it more packed and poeple having such a good time in ages. goes to show that quality bands get thier due rewards....eventually. :)</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


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