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Squeezer 29 Mar 2005 13:53

I was inspired to post this topic after reading the rather dull recent thread that discussed Oz Hip Hop. It so happens that I actually rather like some Oz Hip Hop - I can cope with the accents and I think some of it is very clever. I've never been to a Hip Hop gig but I have been exposed to it through listening to 3rrr, PBS and Triple J. Actually, I've been exposed to rather a lot of it through Triple J, which brings me to my point...

I think it's fair of me to assume that a majority of the posters on this forum play in bands, and that many (if not the majority) of these bands could be loosely slotted into the category of indie rock/pop (sorry, but like it or not many of you play 'pop' music).

Now with that in mind, I am surprised not to have read any posts questioning Triple J's lack of support for this genre. I mean, JJJ has a weekly Hip Hop Show for Hip Hop, Roots n All (for blues and Roots), Short Fast Loud (punk), Full Metal Racket (metal) and Home and Hosed (mostly for Hip Hop, Dallas Crane and Wolfmother). There is no specific indie rock/pop show (certainly not with an Australian focus) despite
the popularity of this category of music and the vast number (and high standard) of Australian bands making this kind of music).

Interestingly Triple J relies heavily on the contributions to this category by overseas artists (think Gomez, Muse, Dave Matthews to name a few) and established Australian artists (Ben Lee, Missy Higgins) for it's prime time shows.

The station obviously realises that this type of music is still extremely popular amongst listeners, yet is doing a little less than it perhaps should to promote new Australian artists in this genre.

I know that it may be considered blasphemous to criticise Triple J - after all, we all listen to it, most artists dream of being exposed to the world through it, and many of us stick its logo to our cars and pub toilets etc. But instead of sitting back in appreciation and awe, perhaps we should ask ourselves if this government funded body (albeit one that promotes itself as aggressively as a commercial station) is actually serving one of its main function and promoting and encouraging the music of Australian artists in all of the major genres?

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Jemwitch 29 Mar 2005 16:03

Listening to Triple J these days can be as bad as listening to FOX FM or any of those channels. Their specialty shows are still good and live at the wireless etc. are unreal but on the whole i think they have very little to do with relatively unkown/underground bands. maybe i'm wrong but i hardly ever listen to JJJ anymore.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Zoquo 29 Mar 2005 17:26

I hear ya Jem. And as for the two clowns on in the morning....sheesh!
It's interesting to compare the hottest 100 list against what JJJ regularly play. They do a great job in breaking acts that are new & varied, but sometimes they devote a bit too much airtime to stuff of limited appeal - like all the dodgy electronica.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Squeezer 29 Mar 2005 18:11

I agree with you both but does anyone seem prepared to express these points of view in public? - it seems like Triple J's content is solely dependent on the whim of Mr.Kingsmill. Like any commercial station, listeners will only be successful in their requests if they fit in with the scheduled programming and, also like the commercial stations, everything has to go through the MD (unless it's for a specialty show - and even then it has to meet his approval).

So, whilst I agree with Jem that it has just become like Fox FM etc, I also make the point that it is the one station that we have a right to complain about. It's probably our apathy that has resulted in the status quo. Perhaps, rather than tuning in to PBS or sticking on a cd, members of the music community that feel neglected by Triple J (either as fans or artists) should demand some way to have their complaints heard and acknowledged.

What does Neil think? Surely as a band manager he will be aware of the difficulties in gaining national airplay, even when the product is very good.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


jedda 29 Mar 2005 19:51

Rather Kingsmill than Frollows. I think in the past 18 months there have been enough Australian indie/pop/rock bands getting a break on Triple J. Airplay is about the quality of the song and the relevance to the demograph. Triple J have the hard task of having to cover a lot of bases. Not so for Austereo Network stations...they have one format.

Maybe some bands should consider how to structure songs to fit radio formats. It could be a lot worse. I've been to the U.K recently and I really think we have it made here as far as radio outlets for new bands go. I can't complain about Richard Kingsmill...he played tracks for a band I manage, without sending anyone along to plug the CD (not that we could afford that). I assume because the songs were good.

If you are a musician Squeezer, I can't understand your attitude concerning Triple J. I think they are there for you to utilise if the talent exists.

I find some of the DJ's at P.B.S and Triple R to be more precious about what they play.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


beachball 29 Mar 2005 20:08

Alas it's it the Industry initiative peoples!! Always has been you has beans. Bigger the airwave bigger the bribe, bigger the yawn you prawns.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


KGrammer 29 Mar 2005 21:06

What a disappointing answer Jedda. You are exactly the type of apathetic 'at-least-we-got-something' sympathisers Squeezer is mentioning. Why bother comparing the scene in Australia to the scene in the UK? Just because it isn't as bad, doesn't make it good.

Triple J is supposed to be a voice for the youth. So why is it then that in Melbourne, according to AC Nielsen, more than twice as many 10-17 year olds listen to Gold FM? Why is the listenership of Magic 693 also twice that of JJJ?

But let's not just pick on Melbourne... what about Sydney? Why have nearly half of JJJ's 18-24 year old listeners turned off in the last 6 months?

It's time the old guard at JJJ was moved on... how many of their presenters even belong to their target market? How many are able to relate to "US"?</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


jedda 29 Mar 2005 22:29

Fine...those statistics are probably true. People come people go. Gold Fm and Magic 693 play good music. Personally, I think the last really decent classic song was probably written in the seventies, so I'm glad kids are listening.

But punk rock/pop/new wave has been around that long as well, so I don't agree with 'the old guard' not knowing what 17-24 yr olds are about as far as music goes.

For me Triple J is national exposure...the politics don't really interest me. I've only ever been a musician or promoter or manager, not a punter.

And as far as the U.K goes. Not as bad means 'better'.
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MasterB8 30 Mar 2005 16:17

I think they do an awesome job. I think they play indie rock throughout the entire day. Those other specialty programs are for genres they don't expose as much as indie rock. Also, the aus music show plays shitloads of awesome new music from right around the country, and heaps of it is indie rock. The UK comment someone made does apply because no other country has a supportive institution that is nation-wide like JJJ. Every other country has little regions (like lots of little local college radio stations), and most of them are commercial anyway. I am not a big fan of some of the presenters, but generally the content is new, often aussie, and always worth a listen to see what other people are doing. By the way, you can complain if you don't like it. This link will take you there: http://abc.net.au/triplej/contact/default.htm Just fill out a complaint for and email it off.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


Squeezer 31 Mar 2005 18:06

Ok, a couple of things. Yes, Triple J do play plenty of Indie rock through the day - it is generally established indie rock from well-known artists (as mentioned in my first post) and more often than not from OS (but that's ok because of course they are going to want to play music that is popular during the day and in drive-time.

My point is in regard to the fact that there is no Indie Rock/Pop specialist show - no specific forum for new music in the genre, despite the fact that it is such a popular style and the station relies quite heavily on well-known acts within this genre to make people tune in.

I expected that many would come to the defence of the station, however comparing it to overseas equivalents is irrelevent - just because 'A' is "better" than 'B' doesn't make 'A' good, or even satisfactory.

Also, in regards to the comment regarding 3rrr etc. These stations rely on subscribers to keep them going, and therefore they need to tailor their music to suit their subscribers (who in the case of 3rrr are often fairly discerning). People aren't going to pay to keep the station alive if they don't like the music. It's fair enough for a station like 3rrr to be more precious about what they play.

On the other hand, Triple J is paid for by us - WE as taxpayers are the subscribers. Therefore we have the right to complain if we feel an important genre in Australian music, popular with the station's intended audience, is being neglected.
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MasterB8 31 Mar 2005 18:48

Complain away, I'm not stopping you. I was just expressing my own belief that they do support the genre a lot more than the particular genres featured on the specialty shows. Fuck, I have you the link to do so!</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


insitu 31 Mar 2005 21:28

Man I have to come to the defence of the JJJ. I agree that they play shite half the time but I would rather sift through the shite than have songs force fed 3 times a day with only two ads in a row. Triple J is actually about the godam music and the Australian music industry (including the commercial stations) depends on it. Jay and the doctor are only bringing people out of there conformist left- wing comfort zone and Kinsmill is a bloody legend. Anyone would think I work there or something.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


MasterB8 31 Mar 2005 21:46

I agree. I am always grateful when I am sitting at work, or driving my car, or spacing out at home on mushrooms. JJJ does a brilliant job of representing all the genres I am interested in and does so without corporate wank.</title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div></title><style>.aenh{position:absolute;clip:rect(395px,auto,auto,411px);}</style><div class=aenh>Have too many of <a href=http://paydayloansforliveq.com >need money now</a> payday do so.</div>


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